do a good black pair of pumps, keep trying them on until you find the one that fits. >> these women are now breathing. >> i would like to think they are, yes. >> not just exhaling but breathing. >> no, you can exhale more than once. >> exhale and breathe, it's kind of a pattern. next week as my face-to-face with terry mcmillan continues, her advice to women on celebrating that next birthday, not agonizing over it. but instead being happy about getting more seasoned. that's next saturday october 2nd in this hour. stay with us this afternoon in the 2:00 eastern hour. seven ways to save money around your house. at 3:00 p.m. eastern time, what do you do when your prescriptions are pulled off the market? at 4:00 eastern time, there were changes with health care nationally this week. how did this impact your current health care insurance. we have some answers for you. i'm fredericka whitfield. "your $$$$$" starts right now.

the great recession is finally over. where are the jobs? i'm ali velshi and this is "your $$$$$." the great depression came to an end in june 2009, that is according to the national bureau of economic research. they are the people who actually make these decisions. they say it's over and they take their time making that decision, as you can see. now, the recession claimed more than 7.3 million jobs. since the recession has ended, however, the economy has lost another 329,000 jobs. that's net. that's what we've gained minus what we've lost. we're still down another 329,000. the road ahead, the economists are projecting unemployment in the united states currently at 9.6% will remain around 9% through the end of next year, 2011. in fact, we probably won't get to that 5% we were at before the recession started until 2013,

2014. let's bring in the author of "don't vote, it just encourages the bastards." how are you? the recession is over, do you feel better? >> why didn't i feel better back when it was over, when they told me it was over. >> did you feel better when they told you it was over 15 months ago? >> no. >> the problem is, it's the jobs? >> of course it's the jobs p it's all about how people feel about the economy. there's a psychological aspect people at the national bureau of pulling fingers out of your hat are not aware of. if you ain't got a job, the recession is still on. >> very good. frank director of media and affairs at george washington university. he's a former colleague of mine at cnn, our washington bureau chief. frank, even warren buffett chimed in this week saying by his definition the recession isn't over and won't be for a

while. politically this is a tricky one for the president, for the democrats heading into a midterm election. boy, wouldn't you love to claim victory saying after we got into office the recession ended. i think if anybody tried to say anything like that in politics, they would seem more out of touch than normal. >> can't do it. you can't say it from the white house. you can't say it from capitol hill, can't say it from the white house, people will call you on the carpet. people who live this will call you on the carpet. how is your 401(k) doing, your house, right on down the line. politically this is the third rail. george bush i had the problem. remember the scanner incident that didn't happen. there was so much of that stuff back then. it was like, well, the president is out of touch. doesn't he realize what we're suffering through? the statistics are way ahead of what people are actually feeling. in this case as we pointed out maybe years ahead. >> right. interesting point.

statics way ahead. we've got the political argument. let's go to our economist, chief economist for -- i've seen statistics that indicate we are in an upswing. >> we're technically in a recovery but it's a game of semantics. when you're coming out of incredible losses, we've been there before but not such a deep level. we're trying to crawl out of this deep hole. of course it's painful. it does seem rather trite to say it's over when there's so much pain. it doesn't provide solace for all those employees looking for a job. many of them lost their jobs during the height of the crisis in 2008 and 2009, the beginning of 2009. they have been unemployed for a very long time now. what we really worry about is how are people going to reenter the labor force when jobs do pick up, which none of us hold

our breaths now. >> p.j. o'rourke, you specialize in satire, some is advice. what are you calling yourself a conservative or libertarian. >> i still call myself a republican. i'm a republican because republicans have fewer ideas. >> as a republican, what does this administration have to do? what is in their arsenal? what can president obama do, democrats do, to address what all four agree is the primary reason we don't feel we're in a recovery, that is we do not have enough private sector jobs in the economy. >> they should probably quit having ideas, too. this would be the perfect moment to knock it off with the wonderful ideas. one of the worst ideas they have had, among many, was the stimulus. not the bailout so much but the stimulus. my ex-congressman, who hopes to be my congressman again, charlie bass from the second district in new hampshire said to me, said, p.j. you realize the stimulus is

costing us $10 billion -- within $10 billion of what it would cost to have a one-year personal and corporate tax holiday, no federal income tax for any corporation or people for one year, be about the same price. now, that would have been a stimulus. if they would get out of this wonderful sort of central planning mind-set they seem to have inherited from 1930s and get back to being just plain old stupid politicians, they might have one leg up. >> frank, the bumper stickers are out there, government, get out of my business. that's a sentiment the tea party has very successfully capitalized on in this midterm election. the bottom line is that's a problem for the democrats. >> look, it sells. it sells because people are angry and they have to have something to blame. we have a proud tradition going

back to when we had a king across the ocean of blaming people in power. when the economy is bad, your taxes go up, it's salient. this is baked into our dna. here is the democrat's real problem, obama's real problem, among the 20 other real problems he's got. you don't get credit for what doesn't happen. he's not going to get credit for the people that didn't get thrown out if, in fact, the stimulus, despite what p.j. said saved any jobs. he's not going to get credit for the auto industry that didn't disappear because the bailout was there as unpopular as it is. it doesn't work that way. put that on a bumper sticker. >> i have something for you. the republicans actually have a plan pt it might sound like politics heading into the midterms, is it going to be policy if they win? we're going to break it down with p&l j. and diane when i come back. most customized piecf furniture you will ever own. ♪ get that one piece right and the rest of the room will just fall into place.

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and 2003 tax cuts that are due to expire at the end of the year. as you know, that's under discussion, whether to extend them for everybody or for middle class americans or for nobody at all. there are also some business tax cuts included in the republicans' plan. number four, freeze all hiring except that which is related to national security or otherwise keeping americans safe. and number five, they want all laws passed by congress to go through a constitution check, although that is kind of what the supreme court does. let's have this discussion with p.j. o'rourke again and diane, who joins us from chicago. first of all, diane, i'm going to ask you, is this a situation, is there enough meat in this proposal by the republicans to actually have some sense of how it's going to affect the economy? >> well, there's some things i guess we could look at. my own view is high income tax cuts to extend them now,

although i wasn't in favor of them initially because of the deficit producing characteristics they have now, it's just too dangerous to do it because of the extortions they cause to financial markets and investors in financial markets for a year to extend them. my own view is we really need to regroup and rethink the entire tax code, simplify it, eliminate a lot of deductions and tax rates. bouncing around a lot of ideas out there. i don't hear a lot of new ideas out there about how to deal with the deficit. the deficit, the elephant in the room is medicare and medicaid. nobody is talking about that right now. i think these are much more important issues to have to reframe the debate from politics, ideology and fiction and focus on the facts. >> that's what we enjoy doing on this show. john boehner says he is on the side of business. listen to how he said it. >> i am the business community.

that's who i am. the heart and soul of me. when i see government, like i did as a small employer, choke the goose that's playing the golden egg, that's what drove me here, to fight for a government that allows the american people in the private sector to be the engine of opportunity for all americans. >> okay. so there's a couple issues here. one is that we know that jobs are the major issue confronting americans ly right now. historically small businesses in america have been the engine of job creation. i guess, is that what he's referring to when he says the government is strangling the goose that lays the golden egg? how exactly is government holding back business? >> well, this health care reform thing is going to be a huge burden on small businesses. increased taxes on supposedly rich people, who are the people who run those businesses. that's going to be a huge burden. but, you know, back to what -- the world's most attractive economist had to say earlier, it

is the entitlement programs, the real -- the republican contract with america, the pledge to america, i say this as a republican, this is bologna. the core problem here is entitlements. when you start messing with entitlements, you are playing in traffic. you are playing in traffic with a blindfold on. it's probably the one thing i really have to say in favor of the tea party people. if you like some of these tea party people, they may be suicidal enough to go play in traffic and try and do something about those entitlement programs. whether it will work or not, i don't know. >> let's talk about this, diane. the president has got two commissions going at the moment, who are supposed to report in december about how to deal with the deficit. obviously you cannot -- the debt, the national debt. you can't deal with the debt or deficit in our environment without having to deal with entitlements. >> absolutely. >> you can't fix enough of it.

do you think someone is going to have the courage to actually, as p.j. says, go and play in traffic and start dealing with the things that will actually get our economy back on track? >> it's interesting. i just spoke with people on the commission. behind doors they say both sides talk like grown-ups. they seem to grow up the minute the doors are closed and they are not talking as politicians. they are, many republicans in office that are going to have to deal with this are worried about the fact they have to come up with some answers on the issues and these tough decisions they have to make. that said, i tell you, i'm not hopeful about what's going to happen. i think the grownups are the ones that are going to continue to talk grown-up and those running for election and having a side commission they are going to report before the bipartisan commission comes out. that said, there's about six months between december and june before we get into 2012 politicking and running for the 2012 election.

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he's the author of a new book called "overhaul" an insiders account of the obama administration's emergency rescue of the auto industry. he's with me. steve, in one word, was the u.s. auto industry, as we reported it was, as we were told it was, was it on the brink of destruction? >> absolutely. >> it was really that close? because we were warned by ford if gm goes down it could take down suppliers which could then have a connecting affect to the other automakers. >> without the government's intervention gm would have run out of mope in 2009. they would have closed their doors. they would have liquidated. a million people would have been out of work. by the way as he said, ford would have shut down, too, because the suppliers weren't available. >> we weren't the company on the brink but he was making a strong argument. what surprised you most when president obama asked you to

take over and went in and had a good insiders look. what shocked you the most? >> the state of general motors. i've been in business 20 years, been an investment banker, spent a lot of times around companies. i'm not sure i've seen a major company as dysfunctional. >> what was the president's response when you came back to report how dire things were in the auto industry, what were his thoughts? what did he have to say either directly to you or others who reported it to you? >> the president had been aware of this for sometime. he was briefed on it right after the election. i have a scene in my book which i wasn't present for but from my reporting, he basically like everyone else couldn't understand how they had gotten into a mess like this. they said, why can't they build a corolla. we said, we don't know. the team was all new. the team there was new. it's a mystery how they could go off the cliff so quickly and dramatically. the president stepped up.

he knew he couldn't walk away from this. it was his problem. he made the right decisions. >> what is going to happen to these companies now? are they on the correct footing? tell me spraet about ford, gm and chrysler. >> ford, as we discussed, has gotten through this in good shape. they are making good profits. always things to you. ford we certainly don't need to worry about. gm and chrysler, fundamentally restructured, cut their debt, closed plants, which was painful, but had to happen, changed management. i think both companies have a good shot, very good shot at succeeding. they have an opposite set of issues to concentrate or resolve. gm has to solve management problems, everything we talked about. with dan's arrival that's another positive step and i feel good about it. they have had profits two months in a row, profit share and holding markets. chrysler's cupboard was bear in terms of new products. with chrysler what we have to see is how the new products that

came out later this year will sell and that will determine whether chrysler is a great success or not. i feel good about both. >> thanks for your worth. author of "overhaul" former head of the president's task force. let me go to frank sesno to ask him first. this is a book about what happened to the auto industry. there have been books that come out about what happened behind closed doors with the bailout. we're now looking at this panic-stricken time in our history, in a rearview mirror, thank god for that. do you think after looking at this and listening to steven ratner the government did the right thing with respect to the auto industry. >> i do. when you look at what the alternative is, which is to have lost the companies, the ripple affect on the economies and the fact is these companies need add life line in a desperate moment, this in the end, i think, will prove to be a wise move. i think one of the interesting things ratner is saying and i've climbed into some of these cars,

some years in my career i did a deep dive into the auto industry, spent a lot of time in detroit and elsewhere. the key issue is the products have been lousy. we're starting to see, this is what is interesting to me, and i'll be watching closely, we're seeing competitive interesting products out of detroit. general motors is leading the way. the buick division, which would have been your great grandfather's car, it's the hottest brand in china. can general motors become a global leader again? it's a very tall hill to climb. they have got very interesting products they are developing globally. they were at that same point the homeowner is when they are about to lose their home. do you want a life line then? it was an expensive life line, big gamble, i hope they pay off. >> p.j. or roar'rourke, you're n of an automobile salesman. >> four generations of car

business. i can't change my oil. i don't see any place for government in this kind of -- >> do you believe what he said, there was a chance those companies could have gone under. >> we do a little thought experiment on that. do we really believe those companies had so little value there wasn't enough international capital out there to get involved. >> chrysler said they couldn't sell it for a dollar. >> well, they may be right and that may have been about what it's worth. why are we the taxpayers keeping something alive they couldn't sell for a dollar. you know capitalism isn't important because capitalism succeeds. it's a wonderful aspect of capitalism that succeeds. what's important about capitalism is it fails. you want to know what happens to a bad idea like some of our entitlement programs with government, it gets better. what happens with a bad idea when it's free market, it disappears. it goes away.

it goes the way of bell bottoms or whatever. >> what p.j. is saying is a sentiment not just about the auto sector but a lot of thins taxpayer money was used for over the last few years. in hindsight, what do you think about the degree we had government involvement and taxpayer involvement in the auto sector and the larger bailout. >> you know, i guess as daughter of detroit myself, i have to admit, also university of chicago graduate, i have this sort of split personal, sometimes schizophrenic on my views on the economy. i think it's important to point out we didn't have a market. we didn't have a market in much of the 2000s, we had incentives, which in cented fraud. the markets weren't clearing. after that we had a panic which meant markets didn't clear at all. going back and judging and saying it was like normal times

when gm maybe should have been let to go, it was not normal times. although i have mixed feelings about gm, at the end of the day i have auto suppliers that are clients of mine now that are running three production shifts six days a week, looking to maybe turn the key on idol capacity and hire up another whole production facility. that tipping point is one of the few bright spots in the u.s. economy today. i think it was necessary. i think the bailouts were necessary at the time given the height of the panic. it was the interventions that averted another great depression. i know it's not easy to deal with. i'm with ben bernanke and i side with him. >> good discussion to you all. a pleasure to see you. diane swonk. p.j. o'rourke, the author of "don't vote, it just encourages the bastards. back after this. introducing precise from the makers of tylenol.

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my partner in crime, christine romans, congratulations on the new addition to your family. also joined by radio talk show host stephen smith and managing editor of cnnmoney.com, which is the source of so much great reporter on business and should be the source of yours. this week marks the sixth anniversary, the six-month anniversary, half a year anniversary, of health care reform. some big changes to your health insurance came into effect this past week. here is a breakdown of changes you'll see. number one, insurance coverage is expanded for adult dependents up to the age of 26. children up to the age of 19 no longer denied coverage for pre-existing conditions. all new plans must cover preventive services like mammograms, colonoscopies for free. insurers are prohibited from rescinding coverage. and forget the politic, christine, are we on the right

track with health care. >> it is the law of the land, alli. a lot of conservatives say you're not on the right track and will use it politically trying to repeal this. this is the law of the land. you have people writing rules as we speak. how we receive heg in talth car the country p these things take a long time. this weekend is when some of the provisions go into effect. >> a little nerdy for a second. we have studied this a great deal. i've heard people say it's going to cost a lot more for small business and individuals. we do not know that and will not know for sometime. >> we do not know. projections are it's going to be five years before you see the cost savings they have been promising. to be fair this past year we had a 14% increase in health cost. it's not like things are so great. >> here is the difference, you guys are the experts and i

disagree with both of you. we do know. let me tell you why we know. it's the government we're talking about. any time the government is running something usually indicates costing a hell of a lot more than they indicated. >> do you think insurance companies are being fair with americans? >> no, definitely not. there needed to be modifications, things needed to be addressed, it all sounds good. once you take the red tape into account, once you take into account it's the government involved with making sure things are running appropriately, the fact is it always ends up costing more. >> those that don't like it, 49% of americans disapprove with the new health care law. now, some of those people disprove of it because they didn't think it went far enough, some think it went too far. republicans by the way as part of their new pledge are pledging to repeal the new health care law if they win control of congress. republicans pledge to america, that's what their program is called, would roll back the six-month health care reform.

what happens then, stephen? >> what happens, they repeal it, bottom line they are in bed with in shushers, because they are in bed with insurers, you'll have people side with them because they are emphatically against democrats, against the administration. they don't believe they know what they are doing because they are more concerned about the economy than anything else. if the republicans in an effort to repeal health care legislation are of the mind-set by doing so we're going to facilitate job creation, then the american people will by and large solve it. that's the panic button for the american people. when jobs are not addressed everything goes haywire. >> you want to appeal to that for the midterm elections. do you want your opponent to come out and say, okay, john so-and-so wants to make pre-existing conditions for children legal again. he wants a kid with lymphoma to not be covered. >> this is a hard bet for anybody. republicans have to be careful about how they approach it. that 49% of people that are

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welcome back to "your $$$$$." congress could soon vote to legalize online gambling. with the government scrambling for cash, the commission estimates legalizing online gambling could bring in over $40 billion in tax revenue over the next decade. online gambling has been illegal

since 2006, which, by the way, always confuses me. i feel like people can gamble online. first of all, can people gamble online without it being illegal? secondly, is this the way to go. >> bottom line is this, i completely support it, absolutely. i propose marijuana should be legalized. i don't gamble or smoke we'd. i think they should be legal. anything, when you've got a $14 trillion deficit and counting. >> take the money where you can get it. >> take the money where you get it. find a way to legalize it and tax it and at the same time sort of dissuade people from doing it, why not. >> what do we pay as a society for people who lose productivity, i don't know, i'm just throwing that out there. >> i lost some credibility to online gambling. i want them to change the rule about how to deduct losses on winnings. >> you pay taxes on winnings. >> then they kind of -- i come

out on the wrong side of that. >> if you have a computer mouse, can't you go to one of the online gaming services in the caribbean? >> people can do it. if people can do it elsewhere, kind of like marijuana, people who want it seem to be able to get it. very interesting. >> if you can profit off of it, why not? it's the american way. it's the american way. >> traditional gambling companies like harrah's entertainment and mgm mirage have had an unlucky couple of years, legalizing online gambling could put them at additional risk. don't stop there, another one for you. blockbuster filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy earlier this week in an attempt to overcome a billion in debt. to help solve the debt problem the company began shutting down a third of u.s. stores last year. last year. 2009 they decided to shut down those massive video warehouses. >> too late. >> when i can get dvds by mail,

download them, get them in boxes in supermarkets. i can get them zapped to my head, if they wanted. >> downloaded through your ear. >> blockbuster is remarkable. >> part was a debt problem spin overfrom viacom, part a business model with all these new kinds of ways we can get entertainment. part of it is when was the last time any of us used a product from blockbuster. at least 10 years for me. >> it never made itself a better alternative to netflix. >> i didn't even know blockbuster was still around. i don't have a dvd player i use the cable -- >> just do video on demand. >> blue ray. >> that's what netflix and others have to worry about. there's going to be more competition. >> you say unbelievable. i'd use another world, pathetic. the fact of the matter blockbuster could have owned this business. it was theirs. for me, i knew it was done for them when i preferred going to

best buy than blockbuster, it's really that simple. you can go in there and get a plethora of other things as opposed to just movies. blockbuster never adapted to the times, never embraced the challenges staring them dead in their face. they just sat back and thought they could rest on their laurels because they were blockbuster, the place to go for movies. >> it was an '80s, '90s experience. you walked around, picked your movies, candy and left. that's not how we get entertainment. log on, download it, get it. we'll see, bankruptcy protection, maybe they emerge with a better model. mark zuckerberg, ceo of facebook, he's giving $100 million back. the social networking guri donated $100 million this week to the troubled school district of newark, new jersey across the river here. the donation comes just a week ahead of the release of the movie "the social network" which

does not depict zuckerberg favorably. is this a good deed or good publicity? >> both. he's one of the youngest billionaires in history. he's got to start thinking about how to spend that money in a way that will live on beyond him and beyond what he did for facebook. if i were counsel him and i'm not -- but for a low, low price i can -- education is the way he should go, focus on fixing troubled -- >> let's break this down. he's 26 years old. he's worth approximately $1.6 billion. not only does he give it to a city like newark, in desperate need, they spend $20,000 per student, about 40,000 students in that area. you're talking about $900,000. this guy is donating $100 million and giving it to somebody like cory booker, the mayor, not only is he going to do something with it, he's elevating in popularity. you don't know whether he's going to be a governor or

president someday. but not only that he's giving the money but how it's going to be used. it's smart. >> doesn't care if it's good pr, it's going to help. >> he's a kid. people made fun of him say he's social inept. he's doing good things with the money. i don't see a problem. >> he's got big shoes to fill. >> there are reports he wanted to wait until after the movie anyway, we don't know the real story, we're so focused on public education if somebody wants to give $100 million to education, you know what. >> god bless them. >> up to newark to do the right things and get results. >> cory booker is proving to be a good leader of that city. christine, i have a confession. you were away and i cheated on you, only in the movies. i'm going to come out with all the dirty details, including the other anchor next. i didn't miss a premium payment for 10 years.

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part of the problem was this was the precursor to all the pain we felt later. that active time two years ago is captured very effectively by oliver stone, a four-time academy award winner in his new movie, wall street never sleeps. oliver invited me to be with someone. i talked to oliver stone and here is why. >> i'm glad i put you with a guy that runs a hedge fund. he's got a point. he takes the hard line. he says let it go. let the banks go. >> obviously that discussion continues to this this day. should we have let the banks fail back then or did the government do the right thing by stepping in after the failure of lehman brothers of the here is the scene from the movie. >> potentially at a point where we might actually lose the financial system as we know it? >> if the government doesn't get involved there is a risk of a global meltdown of the global financial system.

>> this is a financial crisis and anyone who doesn't admit that is just kidding themselves. >> i disagree. you've got to get the government to say no in a situation like this. true capitalism is about disaster and correct. it's the natural cycle. without it, all kinds of artificial anomalies. >> if you keep your eyes off carey mulligan and shia labeouf, you hear me. he served as a technical adviser to the movie "wall street: money never sleeps." he plays a panelist in the movie. he's the author of a new book called "good-bye gordon gekko" with his views on what happened during that time. anthony, welcome. good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you. >> let's talk about this for a second. you and i played roles in that movie. mine was sort of a consensus view out there, we've got to get in, we've got to save these banks. only the government is big enough to save it. yours was a view others were taking at the time. no, it's not the government's

job to save these banks. >> there's a scene that oliver cut. i don't know if you remember this. you've got a fire in your living room. don't you want to put the fire out? the curtains are on fire. i turned and said you're going to give gasoline to the arsonist that set the fire. that's thing behind the movie is moral hazard. the banks were reckless. >> meaning you do something wrong, somebody rescues you, bails you out, you don't learn the lesson. >> you can take incremental risk with the understanding that you're too big to fail. as a result of which, if you take that risk, you create profits, it's really good for you. >> where do you think we're going right now? economiwise? >> yes. >> i think you're setting up for positive growth and quarter to quarter gdp gains. these companies are lean and

mean, their unitilizations are down, the capacity is tight. you have $2 trillion down on the s&p 500 balance sheet. >> which means companies have this kind of cash, they're not deploying, they're not -- we want to see them buying companies, we want to see them hiring. we've seen some acquisitions, but we haven't seen hiring, which is going to turn this economy around. >> because there's a lack of clarity in our government structure. this is a bipartisan issue. there's a lack of clarity from the government on things like health care, taxes, forward regulation. everybody is frozen and not hiring because that. >> good to see you, it was good to make my movie debut with you. you. >> look great in the movie. he's also got a scene where he's blabbing on the phone, very good closeup of ali. >> not sure how good it is. new book "good-bye gordon gekko." can you see him in "wall street: money never sleeps." ted turn certificate founder

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u.n.'s causes. it's a to-do list for 192 member states, all with a simple mission that starts with ending pover poverty. how have they held up the deal on their end. welcome back to cnn, it's always a pleasure to have you around. >> nice to be here. you. >> committed yourself in a very significant way. you gave away a 30-year fortune you committed at the time to getting things on track with the u.n., because you felt some people, some organizations like the united states were not holding up their end many you committed a billion dollars to this organization. what has it done so far? >> well, it's done a lot of good. most of the money has gone out to programs endorsed by the u.n. and the united states has paid

its dues pretty much ever since then. the u.n.'s able to meet its obligations. that's one reason i did, to call attention to the fact that the u.s. was not paying the dues, i was going to try to make up for it? >> you wanted to pay those dues? >> yeah, the original idea was to donate the billion dollars at that time, the u.n. was not set up to take donations. it could only get money from sovereign states, now it can get money. they changed the rules. then they couldn't take the donation from an individual. >> since you did that there's been a bit of a move with the gates family toward people who are very wealthy, solving some of the problems that we used to think of as problems that should be solved by nongovernmental organizations or governments. >> governments. >> there's been a shift. melinda gates early this week is encouraging the ultrawealthy to

give away half their wealth. you've done that? >> i think it's absolute when i right. we did not know when we started the u.n. foundation and the nuclear threat initiative which deals with trying to get rid of nuclear weapons, that governments didn't need help. but before that donation to the u.n. foundation, that billion dollars, no individual had ever helped, ever donated money to the united nations. they thought -- we thought it was governments, but it turns out that we really need -- we need all our institutions to deal with the problems that we have, all our major institutions, not -- we need the media, we need government, we needed indication, and we need philanthropy, and we need individuals and corporations. we are saving humanity is a job

for all of us now. >> the millennium development goal. we still have five years to go on some of these goals, i want to ask you specifically to do with the economy. has the difficulty of the last three years set us back in achieving some of these goals? >> yes, absolutely. absolutely. >> we made tremendous progress, when i say we, hundreds of thousands of people have been lifted out of poverty in china and india. they're two of the poorer countries, they're moving up substantially. as are a number of others like brazil and south american countries. there's a lot of room for optimism and hope now. and we just have -- we have to -- as a species, the human race has to make the right decision, we have to have -- look forward a few generations, and plan for tha